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[Shurap1]

Friends, first of all, I'm ROW too. And my green card is only 5-6 months away from current priority date ROW.... (I arrived in USA ion 2002) and in my native country government is opposed to any immigrants from any country.

Now... look how many immigrants are already here from China and India. The purpose of quota is not crewing EB3 people from India and China, but make sure there are still some Americans left. Cheers!

And can you define what do you mean by Americans? People who came from Europe earlier or people brought here from Africa or people migrating here from centuries? The native Americans are long back forgotten.

And yes even though quota is not "crewing" some countries it is "crewing" two countries who got almost half of the world population :)

[JoeF]

Also not sure why people are proud to say they are US citizens and know its history. Just so you know people from India have better knowledge of US history than folks from europe claiming to have a higher quality of education.

So, you are speaking for all people from India?

When the fake TVU university was raided, people excused them going there with the lack of knowledge about the US and the US education system.

So, which is it now?

[JoeF]

Belle and JoeF,

Do you think 70 years wait time is acceptable?

The 70-years stuff is complete rubbish. It is based on a very simplified extrapolation of some data, but it leaves out lots of data that would influence the outcome.

For example, people can port to EB2, after 5 years of working past their undergrad degree.

So, please, stop using this 70-year stuff. It is simply wrong, and was only used (and abused) by one particular organization to drum up donations.

[JoeF]

@chakrakr: Oh, and if I am wrong occasionally, I am learning. But you apparently don't.

[sudhakar9d]

There is no country Limit for H1B process (except spcl. req for Singapore and Chile) and all are applied and currently working on H1B before getting GC. And all companies are applying GC for the same candidate. We also have a have a limit on number of H1B visas per year too.

Then why we need country limit for GC? and there is no country limit for Citizen ship process right?

GC is given to retain skill full employee to work in US for a longer term

and no one is recruiting based on country.

Current process is restricting employess and compnies also because of GC limit for Country which is not good.

why don't they restrict during the Citizen ship if they want and which will have a meaning if they do also.

GC is also having valid time limit. and it is not forever.

It is total unfair putting country limit during GC process, some one did a mistake earlier setting up country limit and now it needs to be corrected. and even if it passes, it is only good for 3 years. I hope this process should put unlimited years until entire immigration process fixes.

US needs high skilled professionals regardless of country, race, sex, etc.

[chakrakr]

Based on your math, 2002 was 70 years ago. I don't think you do yourself any favors by posing complete and utter nonsense like that.

According to Murthy, there are over 225000 pending EB3 candidate for India. Given that EB3 India gets 2800 visa every year , you do the math and let us know how many years it will take. People will port to EB2 etc. What percent of EB3 , do you think ports to EB2 ? Even if 50%, EB3 will still need to wait 35 years. Coem up with your number if you have any rather than saying it is nonsense.

[dm_neo]

Ron Paul ®: This country (America) has a long tradition of grouping people and either punishing them or rewarding them for who they are. The statement made during one of recent debates.

The country quota was meant exactly to serve this, and all it has done is to create a modern day Angel Island for Indians.

[chakrakr]

The 70-years stuff is complete rubbish. It is based on a very simplified extrapolation of some data, but it leaves out lots of data that would influence the outcome.

For example, people can port to EB2, after 5 years of working past their undergrad degree.

So what percent is porting to EB2 ---- 50 % ?? You are still looking at a 35 year wait for EB3 India ! And BTW, where will these 50% new EB2 (> 110000) get the visa number from ?

Why don't you share your numbers rather than saying all these are rubbish --- you have absolutely no argument.

[Pokymon]

Based on your math, 2002 was 70 years ago. I don't think you do yourself any favors by posing complete and utter nonsense like that.

Based on your math, 2002 was 70 years ago. I don't think you do yourself any favors by posing complete and utter nonsense like that.

Belle,

It was estimated that about 210,000+ visas required in EB3 category. As you very well know, only 2,800 visas available every year. If you please grab a calculator and divide 210,000 by 2,800, what number would you get. Please post it here.

[JoeF]

There is no country Limit for H1B process (except spcl. req for Singapore and Chile) and all are applied and currently working on H1B before getting GC. And all companies are applying GC for the same candidate. We also have a have a limit on number of H1B visas per year too.

Then why we need country limit for GC? and there is no country limit for Citizen ship process right?

This bill is introducing new quotas. Do you agree that that is wrong?

[JoeF]

The only people writing and passing the bill are congressmen. They are making the intelligent decision. IV can only exercise their freedom of speech right. It is the decision of legislative and executive branches to write and approve the bill. Please direct the ire towards them.

IV lobbied, including spending money on this.

India/China category suffered from this quota for many decades (more so because of large number of people suffering) now ROW will get restricted for 3 years only and then there would be no quota. We are moving towards no quota in few years time and this cannot be bad.

The fact is that this bill introduces new quotas. If you don't want any quota, you should be against these new quotas. Otherwise, you are only showing hypocrisy.

The other solutions of comprehensive immigration reform, increase in number of visa or visa recapture are not going to get done in foreseeable future, given the state of economy and political divisions. (DREAM act, which is unfair, seems likely to be passed in few years though)

So, you have so much political clout that you "know" what is going to get done or not... yeah right...

You are just reposting IV talking points that you know nothing about.

And about Dream, it seems that you are not a human being, since you seem to be without human compassion for people who had no input about coming to the US. You, on the other hand, decided on your own free will to come here, knowing that it would be a long delay (if you didn't know, you didn't do your homework, your due diligence before coming here.)

So, let's call this bill what it is: a blatant way to screw over other people for your personal advantage. It is as if you would sell your own mother for the GC.

[JoeF]

India/China category suffered from this quota for many decades

Up to the late 90ies/early 2000s, the delay for India/China was the same as for ROW. I know, I've been there. EB2-ROW took 6 years.

So much for the "many decades"...

[dm_neo]

Ron Paul ®: This country (America) has a long tradition of grouping people and either punishing them or rewarding them for who they are.

The statement made during one of recent debates. 

The country quota was meant exactly to serve this, and all it has done is to create a modern day Angel Island for Indians.

[Raju2005_10]

@chakrakr: Oh, and if I am wrong occasionally, I am learning. But you apparently don't.

You are a fast learner, some day you will learn that hr3012 was a good idea.