Pokymon Posted April 17, 2011 Report Share Posted April 17, 2011 I have been working since 13 years on H1B. Shouldn't I be automatically considered as a Citizen? EB3 will be current in 25 years and I will be 75 by then. I think one should be actively working in order to get GC. Is there any retirement age for H1B people? Link to comment
prostar Posted April 17, 2011 Report Share Posted April 17, 2011 Unless the required law is passed to increase the quota and to make much needed Immigration reforms, there will not be significant forward movement in EB3 or EB2. But we can put forth some interim measures and lobby for these. A temporary Green Card may be issued to those whose case has been pre-adjudicated, but waiting for a visa number to become available. It may also be issued to those who have waitied in line for 5+ years. The temporary GC should give its holder most of the privileges that Permanent GC holders enjoy - travel benefits, Financial aid in colleges, etc. Link to comment
chakrakr Posted April 17, 2011 Report Share Posted April 17, 2011 Originally posted by Illinois_Dude: 1) Person ABC passed out from a USA University with a Master Degree in 2004. He Started working for 2 years in the IT sector, and applied for his GC in EB2 category in March 2006. 2) Person XYZ has a 3 years Bachelor Degree, and has more than 10 years of experience in the IT sector. He applied for his GC in EB3 category in March 2006. Most of the time the "10 years experience" of person XYZ is questionable..I mean did he start working in IT after 10th grade ??? Why is it questionable ? In more cases than you can imagine, folks have genuine experience. It is a small minority who fake their experience ... just the way "some" international students illegaly work. Do you think that the Indian IT giants do not conduct a background verification ? You have to learn a lot. Link to comment
Belle Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 pernalguy, if you are so concerned about getting settled for your retirement age, you should not have chosen to settle in the US. You can cry and man all you want, but it is what it is. Link to comment
StressedAbtGC Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 Originally posted by pernalguy: I have been working since 13 years on H1B. Shouldn't I be automatically considered as a Citizen? Not to beat a dead horse but this is one of the classic cases to say that the current immigration system is flawed in this country given the current circumstances. The total validity period of an H1B is 6 years. This person has now worked 13 years on H1B, I am supposing by filing extensions based on a pending GC. That is more than twice the intended 6 year period and still counting. Don't get me wrong, I am not putting this person down or his right to continue to work on H1B. I am just saying it is ironic that H1B has a defined validity period and yet could be extended infinitely... Link to comment
Belle Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 The bottom line is that the country gets to decide who it wants to give permanent residence. It may have nothing to education, work (relatives, for example) or anything else for that matter. If there is a preference for advanced degrees, then there is a preference for advanced degrees. If you want to waste your time fighting it, then you can waste your time all you want. Link to comment
Joe.F Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 Originally posted by chakrakr: Originally posted by Illinois_Dude: 1) Person ABC passed out from a USA University with a Master Degree in 2004. He Started working for 2 years in the IT sector, and applied for his GC in EB2 category in March 2006. 2) Person XYZ has a 3 years Bachelor Degree, and has more than 10 years of experience in the IT sector. He applied for his GC in EB3 category in March 2006. Most of the time the "10 years experience" of person XYZ is questionable..I mean did he start working in IT after 10th grade ??? Why is it questionable ? In more cases than you can imagine, folks have genuine experience. It is a small minority who fake their experience ... just the way "some" international students illegaly work. Do you think that the Indian IT giants do not conduct a background verification ? You have to learn a lot. Indeed. Link to comment
Illinois_Dude Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 10 years of experience cannot replace MS or PhD degree Link to comment
Illinois_Dude Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 A 3 year degree in India is not even equivalent to a BS degree in US. The minimum requirement for EB3 is a BS degree and so you should feel happy that the 3 year degree person is atleast being considered for EB3.. Link to comment
chakrakr Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 Originally posted by Illinois_Dude: A 3 year degree in India is not even equivalent to a BS degree in US. The minimum requirement for EB3 is a BS degree and so you should feel happy that the 3 year degree person is atleast being considered for EB3.. Wrong ! Not all EB3 require BS degree. See http://murthy.com/eb3.html -- Skilled Worker. Link to comment
chakrakr Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 Originally posted by Illinois_Dude: 10 years of experience cannot replace MS or PhD degree For CIS , right. For real life -- dozens of PhD and hundreds of MS works for a drop out -- Bill Gates. Link to comment
Shurap1 Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 Originally posted by Illinois_Dude: 10 years of experience cannot replace MS or PhD degree It really depends on the case by case. But if you will always see that more experience people are preferred than freshers with MS or PhD degrees. I know what it takes to do MS or PhD but simply that cannot be substituted for the years of the work in the relevant industry. Link to comment
Joe.F Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 Originally posted by chakrakr: Originally posted by Illinois_Dude: 10 years of experience cannot replace MS or PhD degree For CIS , right. For real life -- dozens of PhD and hundreds of MS works for a drop out -- Bill Gates. Or for Larry Ellison, who dropped out after one semester... Link to comment
roul_raj123 Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 Originally posted by Illinois_Dude: 10 years of experience cannot replace MS or PhD degree Oh really…………………….. Then what’s about Bill Gates (Microsoft Founder), Mark Zuckerberg (Face book Founder), Steve Jobs (Apple Founder), Michael Dell (Dell Founder) etc. Forget about a MS, or PHD degree, these people did not even complete the course. In that case, do not the MS and PHD degree holders feel shame to work in those companies founded by college dropouts? So I am tweaking your sentence, you can never replace 10 years of relevant experience with anything in the world. You may have 10 MS degrees, and 5 PhDs in multiple disciplines, but that will not take into account when you apply for a job or how you perform in the job. Learning theories, and working in real-life is totally different. Come out from your dream. Originally posted by Illinois_Dude: …………..so you should feel happy that the 3 year degree person is atleast being considered for EB3.. Come on man. USCIS does not consider an applicant for EB3, just to make them happy. They are considered after verifying the credentials. Link to comment
tkj1970 Posted April 18, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 EB3s, We just need to push USCIS to change the approach and ask them to consider number of years of experience, education, number of years in USA as criteria to allocation of unused numbers. Let's figure out the best way to reach the right person in USCIS Any ideas? [This message was edited by Admin on April 19, 2011 at 09:58 AM.] Link to comment
panicbirdy Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 Originally posted by tkj1970: Hi EB3s, I am sure you all will agree that many of the EB3s are more eligible to get their 485's processed, but is stuck in age old laws. We should push for allocating the unused visa numbers equally among the three categories or depending on demand. We should brain storm for ideas and see how to bring this in front of USCIS policy makers Ideas? One suggestion, since there are 2803 visas evenly available to each EB1, 2, 3, annually, in case of any unused visa numbers, like the 12000 left over from EB1 this time should be also evenly fall-down to EB2, 3, and proportionally to the rest EB4, 5... Link to comment
Illinois_Dude Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 It is a small minority who fake their experience .. I don't think so. Isn't it a norm in most desi consultancies to put years and years of experience to be even considered for a job ? They won't even market your resume without that.. Link to comment
Illinois_Dude Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 Do you think that the Indian IT giants do not conduct a background verification ? You have to learn a lot.[/ I am talking about desi consultancies.. Please don't try to convince me that they do that.. Link to comment
Illinois_Dude Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 For real life -- dozens of PhD and hundreds of MS works for a drop out -- Bill Gates Jeez..I've heard this before..This is a very lame excuse..Bill Gates dropping out of Phd..Steve Jobs not having a degree..Einstein being a slow learner...Thomas Edison being a misfit in school... I am talking about normal people..if they are indeed extraordinary then they would be beyond all this EB ****..So please stop these comparisons... Archimedes ran naked in the streets after his discovery...Wanna emulate him as well ??? Link to comment
Illinois_Dude Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 For real life -- dozens of PhD and hundreds of MS works for a drop out -- Bill Gates Some geniuses may not have a formal education..but all people without education are not geniuses.. Link to comment
rs_1973 Posted April 19, 2011 Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 President Obama is interested in pushing the immigration reform agenda to the front-burner again. Perhaps the best time to lobby is now. The point should be that there should be one bullet point to lobby the congress, not a wish list that panders to everyone's desires. The most useful thing will be to go for a short-term increase in the number of EB immigrants per year for the next five years to reduce/eliminate backlog. In fact, this can be accomplished by capturing unused visa numbers from years past. I have already contacted the senators from my state (MA) to indicate to them the need to reform the legal immigration system, and have suggested this one means to reduce backlog. I suggest others contact their US senators and make a case. Then we can all hope that the legislators will act :) Link to comment
Pokymon Posted April 19, 2011 Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 Don't you think immigration attorney's can lobby for us? OR do they just rip us off with hefty filing fee? They do know how many people are suffering but just sitting and eating our money. Suckers. Link to comment
strynz Posted April 19, 2011 Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 The US prefers EB1 and THEN EB2 and THEN EB3. I think it is pretty clear. US wants to treat education and experience from a third world country questionable. I think they are right in that. Most degree certificates can be faked and experience can be faked. Ofcourse there are exceptions everywhere. If you want EB2, get a US education and be better qualified. Simple. Originally posted by tkj1970: EB3s, Dont pay attention to these Belle, JoeF etc. Let's look for solutions and what we can do. We just need to push USCIS to change the approach and ask them to consider number of years of experience, education, number of years in USA as criteria to allocation of unused numbers. Let's figure out the best way to reach the right person in USCIS Any ideas? Link to comment
H1Green Posted April 19, 2011 Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 Its possible only because Bill Gates is a USC. If you are an alien and a drop out don't expect the same. Originally posted by chakrakr: Originally posted by Illinois_Dude: 10 years of experience cannot replace MS or PhD degree For CIS , right. For real life -- dozens of PhD and hundreds of MS works for a drop out -- Bill Gates. Link to comment
StressedAbtGC Posted April 19, 2011 Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 Originally posted by strynz: If you want EB2, get a US education and be better qualified. Simple. No, it is not that simple. An MS degree doesn't automatically qualify one for EB2 and a PhD doesn't automatically qualify one for EB1. There are other factors. Link to comment
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