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B2 Visa Rejected for Brother: Second Attempt

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B2 Visa has been rejected for my brother second time. The first attempt was 2 years ago with my parents. Parents accepted and his visa was denied. Questions asked to him: where do you work?

The visa interview this time was as follows:

VO: What is the purpose of your visit?

Bro: Sister is graduating from XXX university (a reputed university) next month. I want to attend it. My parents are attending, I want to go with them

VO: Ohh..so your parents are going and you want to go with them?

Bro: yes

VO: is it a MS degree?

Bro: Yes, she has done her MS in XXX. Do you want me to show the graduation invite?

VO: no need.

VO: Who is financing?

Bro: I will be taking care of air ticktets and after going there my dad and sister will contribute.

VO: What do your parents do?

Bro: Mom is home maker and Dad is retired from a private company.

VO: What kind?

Bro: Steel manufacturing company

VO: What do you do? How much do you earn per year and how long have you been working?

Bro: test engg analyst at XX (software firm) and working since 3.5 years.

VO: Sorry sir,visa cant be approved at this time and gave 214 (B) form.

What do you think went wrong with the interview? Are there any chances of getting visa if he applies within 2 months.

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Each individual applying for a visitor visa needs to prove his ties to home country and financial strength for the whole trip. He himself said his dad and sister will contribute. What if they don't ?  He clearly states he has no funds for the whole trip. Moreover there is a question of graduation invite and local culture of going to graduations. Then previous B2 rejection. From CO's perspective, It was just a desperate attempt to go to USA with a made up reason.

There are so many moving parts here and from CO's perspective he failed the 214b test.

Chances for getting B2 again in 2 months would be considered as another desperate attempt and will likely go nowhere.

But hey, there are always exceptions.

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Thank you.

Our whole family will be here and we have planned for 15day long vacation in the US. It will be just him missing out on the trip. That's why the desperation!

he being a young unmarried engineer in the workforce since just 3 years, we are failing to understand what can be done to establish strong ties to home country. Would more funds in his account or a letter from US senator help?

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A senator cannot order a CO to do anything and especially not  approve a visa...it is not legally possible. Most of these letters that I read (at the end of the day usually) had some sentences that read something similar to this:....'I have been assured by (name of relative or friend) that Mr or Ms X fully intends to comply with the terms of a tourist/student visa and plans to return to their country...." The senator just relayed what was probably told to him or her (or to a staffer) by another relative or friend...which is even less useful....because all it is is an opinion from an interested third party that has no legal bearing upon any applicant.

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1 hour ago, Sj15 said:

he being a young unmarried engineer in the workforce since just 3 years, we are failing to understand what can be done to establish strong ties to home country. Would more funds in his account or a letter from US senator help?

None of that would matter.

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Graduate walk is possibly  an alien concept for Indians in India or at least it used to be. I also suspect the first Interview did not go well for your brother. You need to stay away and if he wants to visit, he will know why he wants to visit and he should do that next year. You should only discuss the time frame he wants to come in and leave everything to him. It is possible his employer is one of the big illustrious five, some of whom are accused of dodgy practices.

The concept of proving ties is *ull. The Officer decides on two minutes of eye contact and brief questions. He/She will usually not look at your documents. I have a theory that key words introduced by visa touts when given as answers raise a red flag. Senators will not interfere in such a matter.

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Whenever answers from an applicant sound rehearsed or memorized, the credibility of that applicant rapidly sinks....no doubt many of those answers are (foolishly) bought from some visa tout who has a stand two blocks from our embassies....selling baloney to visa applicants for a price that does not reflect the usefulness of such information (it is worth nothing, so the applicants should pay nothing)..

U.S. senators and congresssmen have no legal authority over CO's nor the visa adjudication process - any letter from these folks is worthless...most of the letters are 'boiler plate' in which the name(s) of the applicants are filled in, and standard prose added, then sent off to an embassy, where it will be barely looked at and set aside....any CO dumb enough to issue a visa based solely on the 'word' of one of our legislators should be removed from interviewing...almost no legislator knows any future visa applicant personally...and even if they did, so what?

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17 hours ago, pontevecchio said:

Graduate walk is possibly  an alien concept for Indians in India or at least it used to be. I also suspect the first Interview did not go well for your brother. You need to stay away and if he wants to visit, he will know why he wants to visit and he should do that next year. You should only discuss the time frame he wants to come in and leave everything to him. It is possible his employer is one of the big illustrious five, some of whom are accused of dodgy practices.

The concept of proving ties is *ull. The Officer decides on two minutes of eye contact and brief questions. He/She will usually not look at your documents. I have a theory that key words introduced by visa touts when given as answers raise a red flag. Senators will not interfere in such a matter.

You are right graduate walk is not an Indian concept. Since it's novel to us, people back home want to witness that.

The first interview my parents and brother went as a family. He was only asked where are you working and other questions directed at my parents.their visa accepted and his denied. You may be right regarding his employer, he does work for a top IT firm.

How can a 24year old establish ties? He is not married, he recently started working so has a decent bank balance but not 50000$+, he of course cannot afford a property! And these are the conditions mentioned to establish ties.

Frankly we did not consent any visa attorney or 'touts' for this interview. Our belief was his interests to visit US are genuine and he answered truthfully, so that should be fine! Of course we were proved wrong.what "key words" he spoke do you think raised a red flag?

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11 hours ago, Noah Lott said:


Whenever answers from an applicant sound rehearsed or memorized, the credibility of that applicant rapidly sinks....no doubt many of those answers are (foolishly) bought from some visa tout who has a stand two blocks from our embassies....selling baloney to visa applicants for a price that does not reflect the usefulness of such information (it is worth nothing, so the applicants should pay nothing)..

U.S. senators and congresssmen have no legal authority over CO's nor the visa adjudication process - any letter from these folks is worthless...most of the letters are 'boiler plate' in which the name(s) of the applicants are filled in, and standard prose added, then sent off to an embassy, where it will be barely looked at and set aside....any CO dumb enough to issue a visa based solely on the 'word' of one of our legislators should be removed from interviewing...almost no legislator knows any future visa applicant personally...and even if they did, so what?

It is unfortunate that CO's are not trained well to identify genuine vs deceptive applicants.

What part of his answers did you find memorized? Apart from memorizing the facts (graduation date, University name) everything else are true facts he stated. 

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3 hours ago, Sj15 said:

It is unfortunate that CO's are not trained well to identify genuine vs deceptive applicants.

What part of his answers did you find memorized? Apart from memorizing the facts (graduation date, University name) everything else are true facts he stated. 

They are trained well. Blame the previous applicants who tried to deceive them.

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COs are well trained and trained even more when they arrive at a new assignment (and I taught dozens how to interview)...so, a question for Sj15...you used the word 'deceptive'...yet, you are in the US, correct? And you are not returning to India to live and work, correct? But you told a CO that's what you would be doing after completing your education....so....who was deceptive? Why is your brother 'genuine?' None of us know what behind the scenes plans you may have made regarding him staying the US, like you are. 

Young, single applicants are the the weakest visa cases statistically....they are the ones who change their mind at baggage claim, or scamper off to work under the table...because they lack (as a group) a strong, stable situation that is a stronger reason to return than to stay...

I adopted a pretty simple approach to interviewing....if the applicant did not convince me 150% of their bona fides, their visa applications would be denied. I used a wide ranging set of questions to test and/or probe their credibility..I watched for body language 'tells', backgrounded some of their documents to see if they were fake (and many were), called employers (but not during the interview, usually at some other time so I could be more certain that I was not talking to a confederate who might have been paid to answer the phone and give out phony information), sometimes I issued a visa, then called the employer the next day and often discovered that the applicant had quit! Those applicants were recalled and their visas revoked. I gave the job a lot of focus because, sadly, there is no shortage of people who prefer to lie, cheat or steal their way to the US, and I considered it my patriotic duty to screen out those people the best I could, using whatever tools and techniques I could find. 

While a certain percentage of visa applicants lie, many just try to hide something, the real story behind their visa request, or something else they believe might hurt their chances of getting a visa....and in the act of trying to hide something or avoid answering something, they frequently make it obvious to a trained interviewer that something is amiss....and that's all I needed in order to say 'no.' I did not have to spend hours trying to coax the real story out of someone...I did not have time - too many people in line. At the end of the day, it is the applicant who must convince a CO that they are 'genuine.'...There is no easy way to do this. And just because one sibling says the other is 'genuine' does not make that statement true.

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Laws of attraction !! You tend to not to get what you are desperately looking for. Focus your energy somewhere else. WHat's done is done. CO somehow magically figured that your brother did not pass 214b test so they failed him. Why and how they came to that conclusion is all a theory.  Only the CO knows for sure and he or she is not obligated to tell you me or Trump anything about the case. sh*t happens, life is unfair and visa is a "privilege" ,deal with it , move on and do something else is my motto. That's the only thing you can do beside replying again and a new application will have a binary result too. Most likely another rejection but may be not. What else one can do ?

 

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23 hours ago, JoeF said:

They are trained well. Blame the previous applicants who tried to deceive them.

Exactly,

Believe it or not but for gray area applicant like this, it matters how last few interviews went. If it ticked off officer, it hurts next few applicants.

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Hopefully, a good CO will step back from the window if the last few interviews were difficult, so as not to be annoyed when the next applicant shows up...a one or two minute break after some fussy interviews or if some applicants just lied and lied will let the CO shake off the emotion, which I think is important...if you are mad, that's unfair for the next applicant; if you are mad, you might miss some clue in the interview, which could lead to a poor decision one way or the other. If, when managing some COs, I saw or heard one getting steamed, I would quietly ask him/her to go get some coffee...take a break...I would take over for a few minutes so that the CO in question could clear his/her head....because sometimes, some applicants really make it challenging....but one should strive to remain calm and not let people get you annoyed.

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On 3/25/2019 at 7:37 PM, Sj15 said:

B2 Visa has been rejected for my brother second time. The first attempt was 2 years ago with my parents. Parents accepted and his visa was denied. Questions asked to him: where do you work?

The visa interview this time was as follows:

VO: What is the purpose of your visit?

Bro: Sister is graduating from XXX university (a reputed university) next month. I want to attend it. My parents are attending, I want to go with them

VO: Ohh..so your parents are going and you want to go with them?

Bro: yes

VO: is it a MS degree?

Bro: Yes, she has done her MS in XXX. Do you want me to show the graduation invite?

VO: no need.

VO: Who is financing?

Bro: I will be taking care of air ticktets and after going there my dad and sister will contribute.

VO: What do your parents do?

Bro: Mom is home maker and Dad is retired from a private company.

VO: What kind?

Bro: Steel manufacturing company

VO: What do you do? How much do you earn per year and how long have you been working?

Bro: test engg analyst at XX (software firm) and working since 3.5 years.

VO: Sorry sir,visa cant be approved at this time and gave 214 (B) form.

What do you think went wrong with the interview? Are there any chances of getting visa if he applies within 2 months.

An young Indian guy who is a "test engg analyst at XX (software firm)"..., applying for visitor visa is a red flag IMO...first thing the guy would try and do is try to search for a job and see if someone can file his H1, at least presumption! which is sufficient for denial - The VO maybe right IMO. 

...not suggesting try a change in profession next time coz with two prior denials I don't know if anything will really help, it's just bad luck. Try attending via face time. 

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He is a poor risk for a B2 or an F1, IMHO, as his sister, who went on an F1, is not returning and has likely mapped out a plan for him to stay if he reaches the US...she did not like my assessment, but could not deny it.

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