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  1. DTWCanadian

    Indian citizenship for US born kid

    So, if I understand you right, I can enter India with a valid Indian passport for my 10 month trip, six months into my stay obtain USC based on my US birth, get a US PP, somehow find a way to let the Indian authorities know I have acquired USC, have them cancel my Indian PP and stay in India as a USC with no legal authorization for the remaining 4 months, try to depart India at the end of my 10 months, show them my cancelled Indian PP and say, "see I entered legally although I am now a USC", and everything would be fine. I say, no, it would not sit well with Indian emigration since I accrued 4 months of illegal stay in India on my US PP assuming I can even get somebody in the Indian Govt to cancel my Indian PP in the first place while I am in the middle of my stay in India. If I am unable to get my Indian PP cancelled, then I am again violating the Indian law as I can't hold dual citizenship with India. It's not about "who says so?". The logic you appear to be suggesting as possible has a lot of holes. But hey, since you feel you are right, who am I to argue. Knock yourself out and I am out of this discussion. Enjoy your weekend.
  2. DTWCanadian

    Indian citizenship for US born kid

    That's correct. When the individual produced a US PP that did not have an entry stamp, it caused a problem. The entry could have been proved through the Indian PP which should have been cancelled, but was not in this individual's case. Therefore, in the eyes of Indians, the individual held both a valid Indian and a valid US PP which is not allowed by India. Hence the problem. What I don't know which I presented in few posts above is, can the individual while living/staying in India cancel the Indian PP after obtaining US PP? Yes, the stamps are present; however, the entry was made using Indian PP, then cancelled, now has a US PP and trying to depart on a US PP. What was the legal authorization to stay in India during the period the US PP was valid, but the Indian PP was not (mind you, there were no Indian visas on the US PP).
  3. DTWCanadian

    Indian citizenship for US born kid

    Not sure if you received information what you were looking for. My 2 cents - Have your child in the USA, obtain US PP and apply for PIO card. This path will allow least problems since you intend to travel multiple times. Once you permanently move to India, you can opt to get your child Indian citizenship. That will fulfil your wishes. Long term - when the child turns 18, he/she can decide whether to opt Indian citizenship (renounce US) or obtain US PP and void Indian citizenship. The drawback of the above is investment of money/efforts/time and dealing with the beauracracies over a period of time. Best wishes to you.
  4. DTWCanadian

    Indian citizenship for US born kid

    And where did I state anything about who holds the passport ? What rumor am I spreading?
  5. DTWCanadian

    Indian citizenship for US born kid

    True to an extent. In general, countries that permit dual citizenships normally insist on using the country's PP to request entry. Me and my wife are Canadians with Green Card and our son is a dual US / Cdn. We travel frequently between US and Canada as we have ties in both. So far we have been able to enter with my son's US PP. However, for us, they insist on us showing Cdn PP instead of Green Card. How that might change if and when we become USC - time will tell. With Cdn PP, I am guaranteed entry into Canada while with GC (or other PP), we are "admitted under the officer's discretion" (technicality).
  6. DTWCanadian

    Indian citizenship for US born kid

    The child can apply for a visa to any country other than the US. Yes, that's possible. However, can't apply for a visa to the US as the child is a USC. Entry to the US may have been possible by road using birth certificate (as someone mentioned in the previous pages) until a certain age.
  7. DTWCanadian

    Indian citizenship for US born kid

    What I stated is a possibility that could occur based on an experience of an adult. The adult was born in the US when the parents were living as a student (in the 70s) in the US. When they returned to India, the child held an Indian passport. No issues until she got married to a USC and the USC tried to sponsor her GC which failed since US treated her as a USC. So they issued her a US passport. Now mind you, this individual had never traveled outside India until then (after the family's return to India in the 70s). So, there were no entry stamps into India on the most recent passport(s). With US PP, she was free to accompany her spouse and that's when problem started. Indian emigration refused to her departure due to the US passport (no entry stamps in the passport and therefore the trigger of illegal stay). When they explained further, they claimed she acquired Indian PP via fraud and hence the fiasco. Anyway, holding an Indian PP for a USC is not a problem as long there is no travel b/w India and the US. Also, where you have mentioned that the child entered India using Indian PP and there is a stamp there. True, agreed. However, will Indian authorities agree on an entry using Indian PP (where there is the stamp) and then try to travel to US with a US PP? You can't travel with a US PP by showing the stamp in the Indian PP. That is where the lack of dual citizenship mandate affects Indian citizens. Maybe what you meant was you could enter India using Indian PP, cancel the Indian PP (citizenship voided) when US PP was obtained and (as needed) show the cancelled Indian PP to prove legal entry. This path wouldn't be an issue when the child is outside India. However, by doing that within India, don't you have to have some form of legal authorization to stay in India under the US PP the moment Indian citizenship is lost? I am not claiming to be right; however, the discussion itself demonstrates there could be issues for this kind of situation if and when the child travels b/w US and India.
  8. DTWCanadian

    Indian citizenship for US born kid

    Consider this scenario which has occurred to someone I know. A US born child with an Indian passport. If and when the child needs to travel to the US, the Indian emigration will ask for a valid entry document to the US before letting the child depart India. That would necessitate a visa from the US. US, of course will deny the visa since the child is a USC by birth. So, the bigger problem might not be how to enter the US, rather, how to leave India in the first place. Back to first paragraph above. If the US denies a visa and issues a US passport instead at the local consulate, then it would invalidate the Indian citizenship. Now if the child shows up at Indian emigration with the US passport, the Indian officials would like to see the entry date and an Indian visa on the US passport, both of which would not be available since the child held an Indian passport before. This would trigger a claim of illegal entry/stay in India by the child. The above scenario happened to someone. A lot of bribe, high level Govt intervention and several months were consumed in this fiasco.
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