Attorney - Employer weirdness in PERM Process

[objectis]

My company's attorney has taken more than 1.5 years to get to the phase of PERM filing, which I believe is unreasonably long time. While getting prevailing wage etc does not concern me, I believe my name will come up with PERM application. However, for some reason, the attorney does not provide much information to me about PERM, neither they have had me sign any paperwork, which I find very weird.

 

Is this the same situation faced by other people as well?

[rahul412]

My company's attorney has taken more than 1.5 years to get to the phase of PERM filing, which I believe is unreasonably long time. While getting prevailing wage etc does not concern me, I believe my name will come up with PERM application. However, for some reason, the attorney does not provide much information to me about PERM, neither they have had me sign any paperwork, which I find very weird.

 

Is this the same situation faced by other people as well?

You don't need to sign any paper work for PERM. I didn't sign any paper for PERM approval and it got approved.

[JoeF]

PERM is about the job, not the person sponsored for the job.

It is the employer's application, so the employer and lawyer don't have to share things with you.

[objectis]

Thank you for your reply. I do see in the PERM forms that a person's name is included when I checked the petition on DOLstats.com

[ateetshah]

PERM is about the job, not the person sponsored for the job.

It is the employer's application, so the employer and lawyer don't have to share things with you.

Beneficiary still has to sign the PERM application for the record.

[JoeF]

Beneficiary still has to sign the PERM application for the record.

 

But PERM is still about the job, even if the beneficiary has to sign. Signing it is mainly a deterrent against LC substitution, to prevent things under the table as well.

[ateetshah]

But PERM is still about the job, even if the beneficiary has to sign. Signing it is mainly a deterrent against LC substitution, to prevent things under the table as well.

LC substitution ? There is no such thing in PERM. It was part of RIR which I believe ended in 2005.

What LC Substitution you're referring to ? PERM has to be signed and reasons are different.

[JoeF]

LC substitution ? There is no such thing in PERM. It was part of RIR which I believe ended in 2005.

What LC Substitution you're referring to ? PERM has to be signed and reasons are different.

 

LC substitution was possible until July 2007. AFAIK, PERM was already active at that time.

[chakrakr]

PERM must be signed by the beneficiary -- http://www.foreignlaborcert.doleta.gov/perm_detail.cfm

 

Signature requirement. Applications submitted by mail must contain the original signature of the employer, foreign worker, and preparer, if applicable, when they are received by the NPC. Applications filed electronically must, upon receipt of the labor certification issued by ETA, be signed immediately by the employer, foreign worker, and preparer, if applicable, in order to be valid.

 

Also see http://www.foreignlaborcert.doleta.gov/pdf/9089form.pdf   Page 8,  Section L

 

Labor Substitution is history  and I remember JoeF himself said it in a post :)

[JoeF]

PERM must be signed by the beneficiary -- http://www.foreignlaborcert.doleta.gov/perm_detail.cfm

 

Signature requirement. Applications submitted by mail must contain the original signature of the employer, foreign worker, and preparer, if applicable, when they are received by the NPC. Applications filed electronically must, upon receipt of the labor certification issued by ETA, be signed immediately by the employer, foreign worker, and preparer, if applicable, in order to be valid.

 

Also see http://www.foreignlaborcert.doleta.gov/pdf/9089form.pdf   Page 8,  Section L

 

Labor Substitution is history  and I remember JoeF himself said it in a post :)

 

It helps to remember history when particular current requirements are discussed. Seems you are unable to differentiate between that and you quoting from some article from 2007.

In this particular thread, my assertion was that the CURRENT requirement that the LC has to be signed by the employee stems from the PAST illegal practice of selling LCs per labor substitution.

I capitalized certain words to help you understand the topic of discussion...

[pontevecchio]

It is possibly the company which is delaying the filing. The Lawyer does not make decisions about who to employ and is only concerned with the paperwork. As usual an OP has been derailed by technicalities. The OP needs to ask his Company/HR/Supervisor about the delay.

[rahul412]

I didn't signed my PERM.

[chakrakr]

It helps to remember history when particular current requirements are discussed. Seems you are unable to differentiate between that and you quoting from some article from 2007.

In this particular thread, my assertion was that the CURRENT requirement that the LC has to be signed by the employee stems from the PAST illegal practice of selling LCs per labor substitution.

I capitalized certain words to help you understand the topic of discussion...

 

 

To quote you --  "Signing it is mainly a deterrent against LC substitution, to prevent things under the table as well."   -- The whole things is in present tense.   Are you sure you know  what you are talking ?   

[pontevecchio]

That is because no PERM has been filed as yet.

[JoeF]

To quote you --  "Signing it is mainly a deterrent against LC substitution, to prevent things under the table as well."   -- The whole things is in present tense.   Are you sure you know  what you are talking ?   

 

Yes, I know what I was talking about. You seem to have overlooked the "under the table" part. THAT is what I was referring about, THAT is why I used present tense. If there was no signing required, it is likely that fraud companies would come up with some under the table trading of PERM LCs.

Please acquire an understanding of the English language before making a fool of yourself over and over. Thank you.

[JoeF]

I didn't signed my PERM.

 

Was that before July 2007?

The anti-fraud provisions came into effect in July 2007. PERM exists since 2005.